shifter502
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Post by shifter502 on Jan 27, 2011 17:19:33 GMT -6
I've been studying hydro static and hydro dynamic systems and I came up with a pluming setup that can allow for just one pump to do all the moves we've come to expect from a multi pump setup. Another variation on the same design lets you control dancing mini truck beds too. Im working on the drawings right now so I'll post them as soon as I get them ready. I'm even working on a setup using a PTO pump on the transmission so no batteries would be needed! Post back if your interested in how this works. Laters
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Post by MR.64RAG on Jan 27, 2011 18:45:58 GMT -6
SOUNDS INTERESTING BRO, SHOW US WHAT YOU ARE THINKING
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Post by BULLY64 on Jan 27, 2011 20:14:21 GMT -6
i think there was a manifold setup that allowed you to have control of all four corners but you would only be able to control each from the lifted position
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Post by shifter502 on Jan 27, 2011 20:41:55 GMT -6
The setup I am drafting will let you control all four corners from both the lowered and lifted positions and do both at the same time. It will also allow for accesories like pressure gauges and accumilators. I should have the draft ready by saturday or sunday. The best part of the this setup is it can be done with parts that are already avalible from all parts suppliers.
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Post by 88spokes on Jan 27, 2011 21:01:37 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Cruising Ink on Jan 27, 2011 22:40:31 GMT -6
Seems like a good idea but this is mostly for someone who needs the trunk space or just lift and lay cause I don't think it will work to hop that's the way the one pump they came up with worked , but I could be wrong, let us know how it turns out.
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Post by shifter502 on Jan 28, 2011 16:53:28 GMT -6
here is the dirty version of one of the diagrams. I have other setups too, but I'm waiting on confermation of some valve specs before I put it out there.
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Post by shifter502 on Jan 28, 2011 17:12:50 GMT -6
Now as far as hopping is concerned this setup should provide the same psi as a regular single front pump setup but since there will more than likely be far fewer battaries in the trunk for counter weight, getting the front off the ground will be harder. Hopping can take advantage of some physics principals to get higher off the ground with the same pump. It just depends on the setup of the leaver.
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shifter502
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Post by shifter502 on Feb 5, 2011 9:57:51 GMT -6
I spoke with bruce at CCE in las vegas and he called the italian dump valve makers for me and thay confirmed proof of concept and said this would work fine. I'll have the wiring diagram done soon. It is different from a regular switch setup since the primary dumps operate at the same time as the pump. I may need to add a delay circuit to the pump for like a half a second or less incase it hydrolocks on the primary side.
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Post by heavychevy on Feb 16, 2011 20:27:01 GMT -6
damm thats sum smart ass shit.
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Post by grzmky78 on Aug 2, 2011 6:34:42 GMT -6
hey shifter that some smart shit homie... i say patent the shit. Hey the only thing i don't want to here on the news is that shifter went psycho and is now the country's number one public enemy...... LOL
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Post by -TOPPFLIGHT-hydros on Aug 2, 2011 20:03:11 GMT -6
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Post by VETERANOS64 on Aug 3, 2011 9:13:32 GMT -6
sounds like a good idea, but what would be the cost effectiveness versus a 2 pump set up?
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Post by switchman1 on Aug 3, 2011 20:57:04 GMT -6
here is the dirty version of one of the diagrams. I have other setups too, but I'm waiting on confermation of some valve specs before I put it out there. Looking good shifter, hope to see that application in a trunk...... If you are going to do this use oil system dumps.
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Post by shifter502 on Aug 3, 2011 21:10:42 GMT -6
This setup is best for cars with limited space. Also this setup is just a precursor to the PTO setup I wanna run. Imagine a hydro setup that has nothing in the trunk. That's perfect for a lay and play setup. The PTO pump runs off the engine and can make 4k to 5k psi at idle. That's enough for a daily driver. No batteries to charge, no electrical fires to worry about and u can put a bigger system. I found a kit maker for the PTO setup and it can be setup for either v belts or serpintine belt.
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Post by switchman1 on Aug 4, 2011 7:22:53 GMT -6
This setup is best for cars with limited space. Also this setup is just a precursor to the PTO setup I wanna run. Imagine a hydro setup that has nothing in the trunk. That's perfect for a lay and play setup. The PTO pump runs off the engine and can make 4k to 5k psi at idle. That's enough for a daily driver. No batteries to charge, no electrical fires to worry about and u can put a bigger system. I found a kit maker for the PTO setup and it can be setup for either v belts or serpintine belt. Remember a relief valve and reservoir for your system, oil has to be circulating while engine is running. What program are you using, there is a pump I designed for hopping and will have "side to side" action using 2 oil systems and a ADEX. Also the lay and play functions will be on 48 volts, and the hopping switch will be on 96 volts.
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Post by shifter502 on Aug 4, 2011 11:19:33 GMT -6
The PTO pump I was looking to use are driven by the accessory belt and would have an electric clutch just like the ac compressor. It would work like the pumps we use now and only turn on when u hit the switch. Because of that I planed on bypassing the circulation system. I could use a small 3 gallon air tank for the reservior. The kind that has 4 ports on top for the returns and 1 on the bottom for the supply to the pump. I know they make 12 volt dump valves for these systems and the clutch for the PTO is 12 volts too. I did plan to run a second battery in parrallel with the primary car battery like a diesel truck so as to increse the amperage in the system. It should work just like a simple hydro system does now. As to weather its cost effective when compared to a regular pump setup the answer is no. The PTO kit maker charges about 2k for the pump and kit to install on the engine, but its different and innovative. I believe that innovations in our hobby is what will bring it back to life. I have ideas for all kinds of drive systems for pumps like one that is turned by an exhaust tubine much like a turbo for the engine. Will they be cheep? No. Will they make the pumps talk? No. But it may just show that we can be leaders in our industry and keep lowridering alive and well for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 21:18:41 GMT -6
Can you makeit work with 2 dobble D batteries, that way we can eliminate the marine batteries.
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Post by shifter502 on Feb 13, 2012 22:52:30 GMT -6
Using a belt drive pto pump eliminates the need for batteries all together. Only downfall is that the engine has to be on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2012 23:17:15 GMT -6
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