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Post by elchivoloco956 on Dec 5, 2008 9:37:10 GMT -6
ANY HYDRAULIC QUESTIONS ANYONE WOULD LIKE ANSWERED OR WOULD LIKE HELP WITH FEEL FREE TO POST IT UP.FROM THE BEGINNER TO THE XTREME HOPPER DONT BE SHY
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Post by elchivoloco956 on Dec 28, 2008 17:00:30 GMT -6
WHEN USING A PISTON PUMP WHAT IS THE BEST GAS TO USE IN THE TANK? IVE HEARD SO MANY DIFFRENT ANSWERS SOME USE HELIUM,,NOS,,COMPRESSED GAS,,AND EVEN PROPANE DOSE ANYONE KNOW WHICH GAS HAS A QUICKER RELAESE TIME?OR WHICH IS BETTER?
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Post by elchivoloco956 on Dec 28, 2008 17:02:29 GMT -6
TO ME ALL HYDROS ARE THE SAME BUT SHOWTIME TO ME IS THE LEADER IN NEW TECHNOLEGIES FOR NEW EQUIPMENT
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Post by Yeyo on Dec 28, 2008 19:36:53 GMT -6
Just random shit on my head:
1. If there is no difference in suspension travel (front) between 8" strokes and 6" strokes........why use 8's? Wouldn't it then be more efficient to run 6's instead, fill up quicker and less chance of damage by over locking?
2. What's with the placing the solenoids between a large bank of batteries? I'm not talking about 'double switching'. I think I heard something about reducing the stress on the solenoids to reduce chance of fire.
3. What are the formulas? Is there even any? voltage, amperage, revolutions, psi, etc?
4. The vato before me put a check valve per cylinder meaning a "dump<check<t>check>dump"
wouldn't it be better to put a check valve before teeing off to each dump............or would that create fluid transfer when cornering?
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Post by Yeyo on Dec 28, 2008 19:40:50 GMT -6
What's up with double pump to the nose? How would a single pump on 120v match up against a double with each pump at 60v.......does it work like that?
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Post by elchivoloco956 on Dec 28, 2008 20:50:04 GMT -6
WELL TO BEGIN WITH IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SPRINGS, IF YOUR A CRUISER AND DONT HAVE FULL STACK SPRINGS YOU NEED 8'S BUT IF YOU HAVE HOPPING SPRINGS IT TAKES LESS SPACE TO FULLY LOCK UP THE FRONT END SO 6'S WOULD BE PERFECT THE SMALLER THE CYLINDER THE LESS CHANCE OF BENDING OR WARPING THE CYLINDER AND IS BETTER FOR HOPPING
ALOT OF PEOPLE PLACE THE SOLENOIDS ON TOP OF THE BATTS FOR EASIER MATIENCE OTHERS PLACE THEM NEXT TO THE PUMPS FOR BETTER GROUND BUT IN REALITY THE SHORTER THE WIRES ARE BETWEEN SOLENOIDS,BATTS,AND STARTERS. THE LESS AMPS ARE WASTED BY THE BATTS AND THE COOLER THE WIRES ARE THE LESS CHANCE YOU HAVE FOR THE SOLENOIDS TO OVERHEAT AND FAIL
FORMULAS FOR STUFF LIKE THAT I HAVE NO CLUE BUT ILL CHECK I WAS ASKING ON THE FORMULAS ON THE GAS MOLICULES ON WHICH GAS HAS A QUICKER RESPONCE TIME WHEN IT IS RELEASED BY A VACUME AND WHICH IS EASIER TI COMPRESS BACK WITHOUT OVERPRESSURING THE SEALS
IT WOULD CAUSE MORE THAN FLUID TRANSFER WITH A CHECK VALVE COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BLOCK BEFORE TEEING OFF THIS WOULD CAUSE THE DUMPS TO FIGHT EACHOTHER AND WHEN YOU DUMP THECORNER IT WOULD CAUSE THE WHOLE FRONT TO DROP THE CHECKS ARE NEEDED ONE FOR EACH CYLINDER TO CONTROL THE PRESSURE AND DUMPING OF EACH CORNER FOR THE SYSTEM TO WORK OPROPERLY ON A F/B/S/S SETUP
NOW ABOUT THE DOUBLE PUMPS WEAR AND TEAR ONE PUMP WORKING AT 120 V IS PUSHING THAT 12V STARTER TO ITS LIMIT AND IS FORCING THE PUMP TO GENERATE PRESSURE TO HOP THE CAR THIS WORKS BUT WILL FAIL IN TIME
TWO PUMPS AT 60V RUNS ALOT COOLER AND WITH TWO PUMPHEADS INSTEAD OF ONE THE SYSTEM WORKS HARDER AT A COOLER TEMPATURE WITH LESS WEAR AND TEAR
BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR PUMP HEADS THE BIGGER THE PUMP HEAD THE MORE BATTS NEEDED TO OPERATE IT PROPERLY
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Post by rigo on Dec 28, 2008 22:58:15 GMT -6
WHEN USING A PISTON PUMP WHAT IS THE BEST GAS TO USE IN THE TANK? IVE HEARD SO MANY DIFFRENT ANSWERS SOME USE HELIUM,,NOS,,COMPRESSED GAS,,AND EVEN PROPANE DOSE ANYONE KNOW WHICH GAS HAS A QUICKER RELAESE TIME?OR WHICH IS BETTER? nitrogen is the right gas 2 use
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Post by Yeyo on Dec 29, 2008 14:07:06 GMT -6
WELL TO BEGIN WITH IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SPRINGS, IF YOUR A CRUISER AND DONT HAVE FULL STACK SPRINGS YOU NEED 8'S BUT IF YOU HAVE HOPPING SPRINGS IT TAKES LESS SPACE TO FULLY LOCK UP THE FRONT END SO 6'S WOULD BE PERFECT THE SMALLER THE CYLINDER THE LESS CHANCE OF BENDING OR WARPING THE CYLINDER AND IS BETTER FOR HOPPING That makes sense, thanks.ALOT OF PEOPLE PLACE THE SOLENOIDS ON TOP OF THE BATTS FOR EASIER MATIENCE OTHERS PLACE THEM NEXT TO THE PUMPS FOR BETTER GROUND BUT IN REALITY THE SHORTER THE WIRES ARE BETWEEN SOLENOIDS,BATTS,AND STARTERS. THE LESS AMPS ARE WASTED BY THE BATTS AND THE COOLER THE WIRES ARE THE LESS CHANCE YOU HAVE FOR THE SOLENOIDS TO OVERHEAT AND FAIL Didn't know that, thanks again. But I'm referring to interrupting a bank of batteries by placing solenoids between the bank and also. I 'm having a little trouble explaining but I'll look what I can find about it.FORMULAS FOR STUFF LIKE THAT I HAVE NO CLUE BUT ILL CHECK I WAS ASKING ON THE FORMULAS ON THE GAS MOLICULES ON WHICH GAS HAS A QUICKER RESPONCE TIME WHEN IT IS RELEASED BY A VACUME AND WHICH IS EASIER TI COMPRESS BACK WITHOUT OVERPRESSURING THE SEALS That's the concept behind a piston pump que no? Would you happen to know anything about the "new" bladder pumps from del toro, I believe?IT WOULD CAUSE MORE THAN FLUID TRANSFER WITH A CHECK VALVE COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BLOCK BEFORE TEEING OFF THIS WOULD CAUSE THE DUMPS TO FIGHT EACHOTHER AND WHEN YOU DUMP THECORNER IT WOULD CAUSE THE WHOLE FRONT TO DROP THE CHECKS ARE NEEDED ONE FOR EACH CYLINDER TO CONTROL THE PRESSURE AND DUMPING OF EACH CORNER FOR THE SYSTEM TO WORK OPROPERLY ON A F/B/S/S SETUP Damn.......just realized how stupid that question was.....should of given it a little more thought NOW ABOUT THE DOUBLE PUMPS WEAR AND TEAR ONE PUMP WORKING AT 120 V IS PUSHING THAT 12V STARTER TO ITS LIMIT AND IS FORCING THE PUMP TO GENERATE PRESSURE TO HOP THE CAR THIS WORKS BUT WILL FAIL IN TIME TWO PUMPS AT 60V RUNS ALOT COOLER AND WITH TWO PUMPHEADS INSTEAD OF ONE THE SYSTEM WORKS HARDER AT A COOLER TEMPATURE WITH LESS WEAR AND TEAR BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR PUMP HEADS THE BIGGER THE PUMP HEAD THE MORE BATTS NEEDED TO OPERATE IT PROPERLY Orale, but in theory they're supposed to hit the same though.....right?
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Post by 87cuttlashopper on Dec 30, 2008 19:09:46 GMT -6
Remember.....gear has to spin a little for optimum performance, you can use a shit load of turns on the coils but just make sure they are soft enough to allow the most travel in the front.
Use nitrogen for your air asisted pumps, this is the first time I have heard propane being used....maybe because it turns into a liquid when pressurized. Nitrogen is an inert gas which means that it already has a complete set of electrons, therefore will not ''react'' with any other element. The more you compress, the more the atoms push away from each other, without being changed to another form of substance(dry).
Solenoids....basically when you out your solenoids between banks, is to have less stress on the contact plates, better reaction time and more amp delivery to your motor. Remember that your rear pump needs to go before you get to your solenoids for the ground, when the front solenoids connect...it completes the circuit for the front pump to spin...otherwise you would not have a ground.
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Post by Yeyo on Dec 31, 2008 14:52:24 GMT -6
Thanks for the info on the solenoids ;D
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Post by elchivoloco956 on Jan 1, 2009 9:29:01 GMT -6
"new" bladder pumps from del toro i havent heard of this one yet but ill chech it out soon a double pump gets alot higher than a single pump becouse with two pump heads it generates more pressure and has the momentom to reach higher leaps in the air
has anyone expermented with other gases for the piston pump? what about nos?
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Post by Cruising Ink on Jan 1, 2009 10:37:55 GMT -6
I'm not an expert but I've seen doubles lose to singles if u don't have ur shit right then it won't work u can't expect to add a set up and hop to the moon, and the bladder pump has been out for a while they told me its a little more complicated to work with its just like a bag intead of the piston and to answer the question on the piston pump from 120 to 150 psi works good it all depends on your set up and car.
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Post by Cruising Ink on Jan 1, 2009 10:39:52 GMT -6
and the pole is missing streetlife and blackmagic hydraulics
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Post by elchivoloco956 on Jan 1, 2009 16:06:32 GMT -6
i also forgot all the same shit on the poll is there any diffrence in these name brands? their all running the same pumpheads and starters? only small diffrences or what?
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Post by Cruising Ink on Jan 1, 2009 16:13:10 GMT -6
quality some are china made and some usa made most are the same but i will never use cce cylinders again they suck seriously
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Post by rigo on Jan 1, 2009 20:36:23 GMT -6
i also forgot all the same shit on the poll is there any diffrence in these name brands? their all running the same pumpheads and starters? onl y small diffrences or what?[/qu 4 me saco motor ar badass n itilin pump haeds r the best.
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Post by Cruising Ink on Jan 1, 2009 20:41:05 GMT -6
yeah the original italian marzochi pumpheads are bad ass, and saco motors too, italian dumps have worked good too.
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Post by rigo on Jan 1, 2009 20:47:16 GMT -6
yes er i got 2 of the original pump head nuevestas que orita ya no ay man
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Post by Cruising Ink on Jan 1, 2009 20:50:15 GMT -6
si yo se tienen nadamas de rockford esas pinches mugres se chingan devolada.
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Post by rigo on Jan 1, 2009 20:57:25 GMT -6
no as usado la G fours2 de pro hopper estan buenas pero no como la marsochi
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